tuation like this. waco and columbine virginia tech, all those shootings the boomings, we have not hid hit their anniversary yet. but newtown strong, the family members of the newtown victims they're all safe. they were all there but none of them got hurt. we'll have updates for you later tonight onioning turks.com p "viewpoint" is next. arching. >> john: just before 3:00 in afternoon a little more than four hours from the start of the boston marathon as runners were crossing the finish line, crowds and spectators were gathered to watch, tragedy struck.

[ explosion ] [ explosion ] >> john: that second explosion which could be heard at the end of that clip occurred about 500 feet away ten seconds after the first. in the aftermath of the chaos police and emergency workers did all they could to care for the victims, which at this time is reported two dead, including one child and multiple news sources are reporting over 100 wounded. according to multiple sources again one of the fatalities is an eight-year-old boy. many witnesses on the scene reported seeing victims with missing limbs and one boston sports reporter, there was

quote, blood everywhere. a third explosion was heard an hour after the first two but this was reportedly a controlled explosion supervised by police. there were unexploded devices including a device near a hotel. it was called a bombing those terms were being used by marathon officials as well as vice president joe biden. they are now calling the incident a terrorist attack. we're here to discuss the repercussion of whoever is behind this attack. >> obama: we still do note know who did this or why and people shouldn't jump to conclusions before we have all the facts. but make no mistakes we'll get to the bottom of this, and we will find out who did this, we'll find out why they did this. any response--any responsible individuals, any responsible groups will feel the full weight

of justice. >> john: for more on this i'm joined via skype by robert siciliano, a security expert who was actuallily running in the marathon earlier today. robert, thank you for joining us at the end of this terrible day. >> good evening. >> john: let me start by asking if you and your family are okay? >> yes we--we're fine. both my family and i were within 300 to 500 yards of each of the blasts when they occurred, so between me and my family, there was a bomb. i was rounding the street where the finish line is when it happened, and my wife and kids, my dad, they were all on the other side of the finish line waiting for me. >> john: were they facing the street? were they in a crowd of people? were they looking down from a building? where was your family? >> they were on the street level facing--looking at the finish line opposite--opposite south of

the explosions. >> john: would you please, robert, walk us through what happened at the scene for you after that first explosion. was there any time to make sense of what was going on before you heard the second? >> once the bombs went off, my first concern was my family. that's your concern. the boston police did a really good job getting everybody off the roads. i kept running. i kept running towards where the explosions were because i had to get to my family. boston cops were a little chaotic as they were moving everybody off. one cop grabbed me, pushed me off the side of the road. i kept going and he started yelling at another cop to get me, and they wrestled me off the street which they did their job. they did what they were supposed to. i was wrong. i duck in the back alleys where all the restaurant and the bars were letting all the people out where the explosions were. there was blood all over the

ground. people were crying and screaming. i kept running. i eventually made it across the street. back up to the finish line. met my family there, a vehicle i had park there had, and we piled a number of adults into our vehicle beyond capacity to get them out of there. and we evacuated the city. >> john: were you noticing police were restraining other people or trying to get them off the street as they did you? >> the boston police did an excellent job of securing the scene, removing people from the area, and attending to the wounded. i ran by at least three or four people who were on the ground. they were bleeding. the ambulances were there to take care of the runners were taking care of the bomb victims. >> john: and was it hard to find your way through all the smoke? el the footage we're looking at shows the entire block covered in smoke. >> so i was forced off the area

where the smoke was and i was running through the alleys where they were pushing other people. and so the hardest thing for me was the time that it took to get to my family to make sure that they were okay. >> john: and they knew to meet at your vehicle. >> yes, i was able to get in touch with my dad on the phone. my wife, i couldn't. the cellphones were jammed because everyone was making phone calls. i got my dad. he said he wanted to wait for me. i said you got to get out of the area because if there is another bomb i don't want my family there. so they headed east, and they headed towards my vehicle, which was the best thing to do. they did find a couple of bombs afterwards. >> john: you are a security expert. when was it clear to you that this was not an accident, it was something larger. >> immediately. immediately. bombs--there is no--stoves don't blow up in cafes.

>> john: exactly. i'm sure you're still making sense of everything you experienced but can you tell us what was going through your mind while you were trying to get to your family. >> obviously fear, concern, and frankly a little pissed off. >> john: frankly, what sir. >> i'm a little pissed off. >> john: tell me please. >> i ran the boston mayor than for children's hospital in boston. i ran for charity. raised several thousand dollars along with 250 other people from children's hospitals. there were thousands and thousands of people who ran charities and raised money for sick kids, cancer, for a variety of other causes, along with people who are sports enthusiasts who wanted to run a race. race. you know, the majority of people running that race were not qualifying runners who made hundreds of thousands of dollars, which congratulates to them but they were good people who wanted to raise money for

charity, and a bomb goes off for absolutely no good reason. >> john: it's unthinkable. and the last mile of the mayor than was dedicated to the newtown families. the anger you're feeling is something that many people's grief will give way to. thank you for sharing your time and perspective on this awful day. >> thank you. >> john: thank you. for more let's brink in jim walsh, an expert at mit securities program. thank you for joining us. >> happy to be here. >> john: i know this has been a day fills with lots of irresponsible speculation so i thank you in advance for any guesswork you may be able to offer us. but can you tell us what kind of explosive device was used? >> it's less than military grade. it's not c-4 or a military grade explosive. the explosive itself, the bomb sat low in the container so

much of the damage when it was released under cut people and possibly in the case of one of the fatalities, a child who would have been lower to the ground. but you know, we'll know a lot more in 24 hours. i take your caution here that we should be careful. we've already had a couple of reports i that's to be expected, in part fueled by comments made by the boston police, which is understandable because things are confusing at first. there was a report that the john f. kennedy president presidential library was part of it. the jfk library is some distance from the initial explosion. turns out that perhaps that's not the case. you know, we're going to learn more. there is going to be videotape surveillance, 9 intelligence community is going to go back

and relook at the chatter and the e-mails and traffic they've been looking at lighting up to the race to--leading up to the race to see if something makes sense now that didn't makes sense before. there was the third bomb explode exploded under controlled conditions so there there will be forensic material, and we'll learn quickly what it was, how it was constructioned. the next 24 hours there will be quite a bit of evidence coming across to law enforcement and into intelligence. >> john: law enforcement is not convince that there is any link with the fire at the jfk library, and in a day full with speculation, much of it biased i applaud your caution on this. could this device point to one type of suspect over another? >> i don't think it can point to one. what we have here is is there is a tendency as individual details come across to say all right

what does this detail imply about the suspect or potential bomber. so let's look at what we got here. we've got a situation in which the bomb did not take place at the time of finish. it took out two hours afterwards where the people have left the grandstand, the international racers have already finished and were away. did that raise questions about competence or on purpose? we have multiple explosions. the question is going to be is there more than one person involved? is it a group? is it a lone person? then the quality of the explosive. that would point to someone who is less sophisticated rather than more sophisticated. then you want to step out and say what is the big picture on what we understand on international terrorism today and alqaida center has central has been degraded over time, and then in

syria, yemen iraq and elsewhere, you can add up those things in different ways, but i would urge people to keep an open mind that it could be a domestic group a white supremacist or other group or a small group of individuals who are not pros, who are not strongly affiliated to a group but have sympathy either for international agenda or domestic agenda. >> john: what do the placement and timing suggest about the strategy of whoever planted this? >> this is class classic terrorism in so far you're not going to kill a large number of people. what you're attempting to do is create fear. i think the timing of the explosives run in different directions. on the one hand, you know, the fact that it took place--the location.

the finish line there obviously that's to maximize the impact. there may be people that the bomber expected to be at the finish line. it may be as narrow of a motive as that. but it was it was the the finish line because that's where the greatest focus would be. on the other end they do it two hours after the race. now, did they run into technical problems? was it by design? those are questions that we can't answer but it's the puzzle that law enforcement is wrestling with. >> john: is it difficult for police to distinguish between false leads and correct leads. i understand they've been flooded with rumors and innuendo. >> you have two different things going on. you have information pertaining directly to the event itself that you have at hand. so you have an exploded bomb. that's a pretty big piece of evidence, you have videotape, and there is all that which might be closer to the event or

closer to the perpetrator itself. wholly and separately is the fact that people are going to be calling in with tips and observations. i'm sure people will look at every one of them but my guess is it's going to be the priority on the physical evidence, and on eyewitness testimony and other sorts of evidence that relates directly to the event. then the investigation will reach a different stage. it may identify possible suspects at which point other types of evidence including tips from the outside would be more important. but right now the focus is on the bomb site and evidence associated with it. >> john: jim walsh expert on international security, i thank you so much for some of your time this evening. >> thank you. >> john: now we will keep talking about the boston marathon bombing with abc report reporter and other eyewitness accounts coming up next. >> telling important stories that need to be told. (vo)and on the next vanguard: >> i don't want food stamps. i'm doing it because i don't have a choice.

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information as possible out to the public. but of course sometimes as the new york post has already proved that of course can be misleading. here to clean up all the information of today's venezuela is john schrpin. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> john: what is the focus of the police in the boston area. >> those two blasts at the finish line were caused by two portable devices. the police will piece that together and search for any clues. they'll want to look at surveillance footage, to see if cameras caught any suspicious activity leading up to or following those two blast. when those blasts went off there were many runners on the course, and spectators on the stands watching. when it went off people were scattered, running scared. they left behind a lot of their

belongings. the authorities have the arrest aduo us tasks of going through those belongings. >> john: and if they were the bombers themselves. >> we don't know what they were looking for, but authorities are doing their diligence and looking through all of those packages bags, whatever they may be to see if anything can tip them off as to who could be responsible for this. at this time they don't know who really did this. >> john: let me ask you in any terrorist attacks one of the hallmarks is groups claiming credit for it? so far has anyone claimed credit for the disaster today? >> we have no knowledge of anyone claiming credit for this attack. we don't know if this is domestic or foreign. right now authorities are leaving up a options on the table. they're looking at everyone. >> john: we're hearing scattered reports about a person of

interest being detained earlier today. can you confirm that? >> you know, at this point "abc news" cannot confirm that. we do know that they have people they're talking to. we don't know if there is a specific person at this time. >> john: are things completely shut down in boston? at least amtrak is still running but what about the rest of the city. >> amtrak is still running for hours after the explosions. logan airport was shut down. we have learned that logan is now back open. planes are able to fly back in there. hotels in the surrounding area were shut down for quite some time because they had a scare of possible suspicious packages in their hotels. we had trouble booking our own crews who are now covering this event, but that has lightened up as the hours have progressed. we've been able to get our people on the ground and get them hotels in boston. authorities are warning people to be vigilant. stay inside. don't come outside but things

are lightening up as the hours progress. >> john: what kind of security measures are being enacted in other cities around the country in the wake of this attack. has it dissipated or do you expect other cities to heighten secure just in case of a copycat or a pattern. >> other cities are taking this very seriously. the mayor of d.c. is tweeting out there is going to be extra security not only tonight but into tomorrow at major buildings in the direct. we've seen extra security in the philadelphia washington, d.c. as i mentioned. all around the country people are taking this very seriously because authorities at this point don't know who is responsible. they don't know if there are copycats or extra bombs out there, so everyone is still on high alert. >> john: do authorities tend to withhold information for the safety of the public or do they get it out there as soon as possible to instill calm. >> in all situations when it's

an active investigation like this authorities are not going to release all information. but they are going to release information that is pertinent to the public that will help them solve this case. they have two kip lines out there in boston. one there for family members to call in--to check in on people who were in the race or spectators around the race area for family members to check on them to see if one of the victims is one of their own. and there is a tip line for anyone who may know anything that could lead authorities to who might be responsible. for this authorities are asking the public's help. they're asking for anyone with video, picks, to send them in to authorities. it's still very on and still a very active investigation. >> john: to the best of your knowledge, are the boston services over stretched or has a sense of calm come over the city now. >> boston is a very resilient town. they have an amazing medical

community especially with the number of people there. the hospitals from what i have learned are not overwhelmed at this point. emergency crews were there on the scene within seconds treating to the injured spectators and runners there. they had triage set up immediately. by all accounts boston first responders did an amazing job dealing with this tragedy. >> john: thank you so much for coming on this evening. we really appreciate your time and expertise. >> thank you. >> john: joining us now is michael rosindi. political writer for "the boston globe" who happened to be running in the marathon today. welcome. it's a pleasure to have you. >> happy to be here. >> john: thank you. so where were you sir when the explosions hit? >> i was nearly at the finish line. i was about ready to run under an underpass that runs under massachusetts avenue. it was a half mile or maybe less

when the bombs went off. the police stopped the race and wouldn't let the runners continue. at that point i didn't know why we weren't allowed to continue, so i climbed up out of the area where one takes to get to the under path, and went on commonwealth avenue and started running the place the street. the police were forcing people back and said there have been a couple of explosions, and everyone needs to go in the opposite way. >> john: did you hear the explosions or were you down the road a bit from the finish line. >> i was down the road a bit and i was in my head, urging myself to finish the most difficult part of the race that i didn't hear the bombs go off. but i did immediately transform from marathon runner to reporter and talked to some people at the scene, several of whom i now

because i've run this race every time. there is a group of people who run it every year. i talked to a woman who was near the finish line with her two young children six years old and seven years old wait forgive her husband when the second bomb went off. she was directly across the street from the second bomb. as i say, she saw it go off and saw a man who had one of his legs blown off. unfortunately, i think her children saw the same thing. >> john: and did you speak to other survivors, other people who were there at the finish line? what other accounts did you hear? >> i'm in a running club. we all go running together every sunday. we run the marathon pretty much every year, and afterwards is there is a party. this year it was very subdued. i talked to one woman who said she had just crossed the finish line when the first bomb went off. she looked over her shoulder and saw the white-ish gray billowing

smoke. even though she had never heard a bomb go off, she was sure that's what it was. then she heard the second bomb go off. rather than stopping she kept running and was pretty scared and upset. >> john: we heard of others running to the local hospital to donate blood. it's an inspiring story, can you confirm that's true? >> this is the first i've heard of it, but i got to tell you the marathon is an event that brings out, generally speaking, the best in people, and people are very generous. today, for example i couldn't get through the square because the police had blocked it off but i needed to get to the other side to find my belongings and my friends. it was really cold. i was walking down the street in my short-sleeve running shirt. just some perfect stranger came up to me and offered me his jacket. i wore it the rest of the way.

it's a time when people are quite generous. if runners went right to the hospital to donate blood it wouldn't surprise me. >> john: plea, neither. i've lived in boston, and it's an amazing town with amazing people. now what are the questions that you now have about the incident? >> i do have quite a few questions. a couple of big ones are is it a terrorist attack or is it something else? we've had some extraordinary acts of violence in this country recently, mass shootings in newtown and aurora, and tucson, and of course they have not been terror attacks but acts committed by very disturbed individuals. i'm wondering if this is another case of a disturbed person who has killed at least two, wounded more than a hundred as far as i know or is it a terrorist attack. the other thing that mist mystifies me if it's a terrorist attack the time something puzzling to

me. of course, for maximum impact, marathon monday in boston is a logical time to have a terrorist attack, but three hours after the start is not. why, if it is a terrorist attack why wasn't the bombs set off when the winners were going over the finish line? did they have technical difficulties or was it not a terrorist attack. those are some of the questions that i have in my mind. >> john: the fbi has classified this as terrorism but there are many more questions. boston marathon runner and reporter for "the boston globe," thank you for your time and we're glad your safe. >> thank you. >> john: we have more eyewitness accounts and how you can help right after the break. the country and around the globe. >>dc columnist and four time

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>> john: if you are just joining us we've been reported about the coordinateed explosions that took place in boston earlier today. we know at 2:50 p.m. two bombs were detonated seconds of each other 500 feet apart along the finish line of the boston marathon. two people have been reported dead, including an eight-year-old boy with reports of 100 injured. two other devices were also reportedly located and disarmed by boston authorities. this incident is being referred to by a terrorist attack by the

fbi, but it's unknown who was behind the attacks. boston authorities have urged all residents to stay at home, avoid large crowds and security has increased in new york and washington, d.c. at all major landmarks. we'll continue to update you with any information we've learned while we're on the air and i'll deliver a commentary from the amazing good that sometimes comes from devastating evil. in the meantime, the boston authorities have set up two lines to call. for victims serving for a family member call (617)635-4500. and to assist in the investigation in any way you can call 1-800-494-tips. google has set up a people finding site for people involved or searching for information about people where because whereabouts. and if if you or someone you know

is stuck in the boston area with a need to find a place to stay go to www.boston.com they'll have a list of locations.

>> i literally saw the explosion. the saw the flash the fire, the smoke. >> it's just one big kind of smoke. white smokish and then right from the other to the other. >> are you okay? >> yeah, i'm okay. she was in the grandstand, and i was just worried about her. >> all i could see is glass coming out towards--towards the road and a big like fire. it looked like a fireball or something. i heard the glass shatter. >> i didn't know what was going on. >> all of a sudden there was a loud noise and explosion, a big puff of smoke. a few seconds later further up the road away from the finish line a second explosion a large puff of smoke and ultimate chaos. >> he were standing across from lord and taylor, and towards our

left, the finish line, two huge bombs, smoke coming out of buildings. [ sobbing ] >> i saw quite a few casualties coming back. i saw one guy with his legs gone at the knees ankles and knees missing shrapnel and other things. it was not good. >> they took them to the boston medical center. i helped carry them to the ambulance. >> he couldn't walk. >> no, no. they said to put him in the wheelchair. he was getting cold. we tried to keep him alert kept talking to him. >> the injuries, it was like the bomb blast low. as soon as that bomb went off it took a lot of people's legs. i was putting towel in the legs and at least 30 people from on

the ground from injuries, from losing limbs. >> what went through your head? >> i couldn't believe this is happening. >> john: truly powerful and moving images from today's tragic events. for more on what happened in boston i'm pleased to be joined on the phone by hurry peterson, a runner in the boston marathon who witnessed the explosion. thank you for joining us. >> hi. >> john: first off, how are you doing? >> i'm okay now. a little sore, but after figuring out--the eight miles out of boston, so i'm okay now since we got back here. >> john: let me start by asking where were you on the marathon course when the explosions took place? >> i luckily had finished. and according to what i heard, i was nine minutes--i had finished nine minutes beforehand.

so i had already come to the chute, and i was on the way just to go get my bag. we heard something. we all turned around, and we did see a big, big plume of smoke but you know, naively we wanted to believe it was a generator. we saw and heard another one. you know, people started to freak out a little bit but not yet because nobody was really seeing anything. we continued on just trying to get our bags and get water and carry on. >> john: was there an area near the finish line where runners who had completed the race were gathering? >> well, they tried to move you back so it doesn't bottleneck by the finish line. >> john: of course. >> they tried to move you. they gave us some water. there were the medals and there

were a number of buses lined up. people were just strung out because as you're coming in, you know, you're there so there were people all over. >> john: what was the scene like once the explosions went off? from what you say there was a good bit of confusion as to what the nature of the sound was from where you were standing? >> there was definitely confusion. you know, the people i was with, they were all trying to get our bags selfishly. we knew we were going to be evacuated or would have to get out of there. then literally a minute right after i got my bag they said run. they said they were evacuating. they made us all run. again, we all assumed what we were running from. >> john: right. >> then all the phone services were almost gone. i called my husband in los angeles. i said check the internet and

tell me what is going on. >> john: you mentioned you thought at first it could have been a generator fire, or hoped it was a generator fire explosion. >> right. >> john: at what point laurie, did you know it was not an accident but something more. >> i realized it right away, but didn't want to. then the second one went off. the way the smoke was, it was like a big bomb smoke. you know, it was just a big huge thing in the sky. there was no flames. >> john: did you witness panic? did you witness law enforcement converging on the area? what was the scene like? >> oh, yes the law enforcement you know, once--people were were--interestingly, people were panicked but they were okay. people just wanted to know what was going on. then like i had started out with a friend, so i was trying to find her. i was concerned. i wanted to make sure that she was okay. then the law enforcement and then it was you know, cop car cop car, cop car. they were all just coming. then we knew that it was

serious. >> john: of course we learned there was a fire at the jfk library which many thought was a connected explosion. law enforcement does not believe that. but where you were, did you fear there was another explosion? did people panic or keep their heads? >> both. i was in a park right there figuring that was probably pretty safe because we weren't inside a building. >> john: right. >> i was actually with two medics that were staying with me until my girlfriend came. they were just wonderful and sweet. everybody who work there had all the medics, they were really helpful, and everyone was really helpful. and then--you know, nobody knew where to go. there was no public transportation. >> john: right. >> so nobody knew what to do, where to go, or how to get out of there. the next step was how are we going to get out of here. >> john: how did you finally

make it to the suburbs? >> because the roads, they were going to have a hard time getting in. we started to walk around. can we walk? we found ourselves on a back street with big buildings. we didn't want to go there. we went to this other main street from across a park. there were some hotels, honestly some guy was out there saying he was going to get a taxi. we said we were going to jump in with you. the taxi never came. we flagged down a limo. we flagged them out and went out from where we were standing. >> i'm glad that you're okay and your friend is well. it's a pleasure to meet you. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> john: we'll continue our coverage of the boston bombings. michael graham is coming up next. everything that is going on politically and putting my own nuance on it. in reality it's not like they actually care. this is purely about political grandstanding.

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>> john: welcome back to "viewpoint." i'm join by columnist michael graham. good evening, thank you so much for joining us tonight. >> happy to be here, although not under these circumstances nextly. >> john: neither are we. let's start at the beginning. how did you hear about today's incident. >> i host a daily radio show. at 3:00 we wrapped things up. right after the show--i assume everybody these days finds out everything on twitter. there has been an occurring story of manholes popping and problems with infrastructure. i will be honest with you that when i first heard this, i thought it was what is this really? a manhole? some kid with a fireworks.

boston is a no tolerance state and people overact sometimes. i immediately would have thought what the heck--it took until you jump on tv, jump on the radio start looking for information. the "boston herald" reported what was happening. there were reports of two explosions. then it hit you. the second explosion is what did it. your previous guest laurie, she said she heard the second explosion, it's like 9/11, the plane hits the building, what is that? and then the second hits and you think, oh my gosh, this is a big deal. >> john: everyone knew when the second explosion went off that this was no accident. without knowing who is behind that, do you have any thoughts why one might target this event in this city?

>> the politics of wherever you are reveal yourself today. here in new england a lot of people on the left, a lot of talk about tax day. it's patriots day in massachusetts. we commemorate the first battle in the the war of independence. there is a lot of talk of patriotism, and tax day this could be a tax kook tea party person. but when there were more bombs on neighboring streets it started turning. what is interesting to me, in the talk radio world that i'm in i'm a conservative talk show host, people are quick for the "why," they want to run to the conclusions. today with my audience we were focused on the what. i went went to posting information

as it's coming. as we speak there were reports that there were there is a person of interest. that report has been given denied half a dozen times today. the number of injured, 29 to 109. people today were not in the question of why are we here but what the heck is going on which reflects another interesting mind shift. the post 9/11, i don't know if you want to call it instant panic or the very ready to think the worst of the worst. i think it's interesting how we've gone past that. people are ready to acknowledge what could be just some lone nut, some guy with a personal issue, a girlfriend, disgruntled student. there are a lot of reasons why this would happen.

face it, it's probably someone motivated by religion just based on math. but the fact that people are open to all sorts of eventuallities shows how far we've come since 2001. >> john: people have been blaming homegrown terrorists or islamic terrorists, let me ask you before we go, is there any significance to the fact that this atrocity was connected to a sporting event? >> if the bomb had been set off to go off an hour earlier i might say so. but the fact that whoever this was waited apparently on purpose to detonate the bombs when the normal crowd--the boston marathon is such a community event. everyone knows someone who is running in it. i even had runners from greece

stay at my home. it's like that mickey rooney movie, hey let's put on a race. it's the let's go meet daddy at the finish line crowd. it's not the elite sports fans crowd. >> john: our desire to point fingers should be subject behind to open our hearts and be there for those who have been wounded and killed. michael graham, i look forward to you being on the show again. >> i look forward to it. >> john: we'll wrap up the events on my thoughts of bombing and non-violence and what it means for the boston marathon in america. coming up next.

>> john: we can now report that "the boston globe" confirms that the boston police commissioner has said there has been a third confirmed death from today's bombing.

now ralph waldo emerson said all violence all that is greerry and repeals is not power but the absence of power. ralph waldo emerson was born in boston, a city that has seen it's share of violence. the boston massacre was the foreshadowing of the revolution. the city's crime rate has been famously documented so much so that for many years one area was known as the combat zone. in the 1990s the boston p.d. worked with neighborhood and religious groups to bring about what is known as the boston miracle where people working together reduced violence and murders in the city dropped from 152 a year at the top of the decade to just 31 in 1999. people working together can do that because for every example of humans resort to go violence there are untold, unreported thousands of humans who reject it and find another way. so what do we know? here's what we know. we know that the police do not

believe that jfk library fire was related to the bomb. we know that the new york post was wrong when they said a muslim suspect was in custody. we know this was not hitler's birthday nor was it the anniversary of waco or oklahoma city. we know a lot of people want to assign blame. mean are politicizing the attack. as of this broadcast we don't know if it's cowardly right wing extremists homegrown terror organizations or an individual. we know whoever did this was influenced by violence and allowed themselves to be guide by the propensity of violence that is within all of us. whoever did this was influenced to believe that violence would give them satisfaction and we know they're wrong. we know that terrorism is a tool and it has a purpose. it's clip violence designed to produce fear bring change, and we know it doesn't work.

we know in the gospel jesus said do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. he also said those who live by the sword will die by the sword. we know in the holy qur'an said if someone murders or spread mischief in the land it will be as if he killed all human kind. if anyone saved a life it would be as though he saved the life of all human kind. we know the great world religious fight against violence but many of the religious think their piety gives them the right to attack. we know that someone brought up the word bengahzi and we know ralph waldo emerson who influenced thoreau and he influenceed ghandi, who influenced a man who